tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post5261041712164860279..comments2024-01-10T14:58:00.833-07:00Comments on Nameless Cynic: Does God really hate abortion?Nameless Cynichttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17963921060024737712noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post-80386680637013990302009-02-25T15:00:00.000-07:002009-02-25T15:00:00.000-07:00Nameless, excellent job!Whether aboortion is a goo...Nameless, excellent job!<BR/><BR/>Whether aboortion is a good thing or not is certainly open to argument, but the false argument of "This is what God wants!" should never be used.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I think abortion is an extremely inefficient method of birth control, but it is no one's business but the mother's whether she chooses to have one or not. If God has a problem with it, She can work it out with the mother later.Rafting Bearhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16500241000961922326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post-44846604910655259982009-02-20T07:01:00.000-07:002009-02-20T07:01:00.000-07:00I have read all of these sections you referred to,...I have read all of these sections you referred to, in 6 different translations (including a translation of the Torah done in 1912 by a Council of Rabbis in New York for "the modern Jew who neither speaks nor reads Hebrew"), and always figured I must have been reading it wrong.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for this very well reasoned explanation. (And I don't think we should stop retroactive abortions at 25.)PersonalFailurehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03034292023591747601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post-73197021158670037412009-02-16T18:04:00.000-07:002009-02-16T18:04:00.000-07:00There is some argument on that point. The King Jam...There is some argument on that point. The King James Version (which is, after all, "breathed out by God") translates that verse as "so that her fruit depart her," whereas the NIV translates it as "and she give birth prematurely" with the footnote "or <I>she has a miscarriage</I>." (New American Standard has the same, without the footnote.) <I>The Message</I> finds a more in-depth translation of "a pregnant woman is hit so that she miscarries but is not otherwise hurt," and the Amplified Bible sees it as "and a pregnant woman [interfering] is hurt so that she has a miscarriage, yet no further damage follows." <BR/><BR/>The New Century Version finds it to have been "and hit a pregnant woman, causing the baby to come out. If there is no further injury..." and the Darby translation reads "And if men strive together, and strike a woman with child, so that she be delivered, and no mischief happen."<BR/><BR/>Once again, the difficulty is that nobody alive today speaks Ancient Hebrew (or even knows what it sounded like). If you've been reading my posts for the past two weeks or so, you'll see that these errors abound.Nameless Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963921060024737712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post-17943630684839826742009-02-15T22:22:00.000-07:002009-02-15T22:22:00.000-07:00Cynicism has its place, oh nameless one, but its b...Cynicism has its place, oh nameless one, but its better than being gullible, which is worse in my estimation.<BR/>On the question of whether the Bible has anything to say on abortion, I found this passage in Exodus 21:22-24.<BR/>It talks about men 'struggling' (an altercation of some sort perhaps)and the struggle involves a pregnant woman who is injured as a result. If no fatality to mother or child occurs, damages were still imposed on the guilty party by the child's father and the law. If a fatality of mother or child occurred then "life would be for life". This would indicate to me that God views the unborn as a "life". <BR/>If we would not murder a newborn, then at what point is an 'unborn' any less a child?<BR/>Just my 2 cents worth.<BR/><BR/>JemimaAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03637794807190254613noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post-16825775937898445332009-02-15T19:54:00.000-07:002009-02-15T19:54:00.000-07:00You know, OneDove, I'm really trying to figure out...You know, OneDove, I'm really trying to figure out what you're saying here. I've been reading the Bible again lately, and in this blog entry, I asked "Is the Bible opposed to abortion?" The answer I came up with is obviously "no."<BR/><BR/>"All caught up on your knitting" - so I'll assume you found me through my responses to <A HREF="http://stitchlove.blogspot.com/" REL="nofollow">Barbie</A>. We had our little discussion, we reached the consensus that she believed that the Church cannot err; since no amount of logic will get past that, I left.<BR/><BR/>Now, as for "an unborn child getting its brain sucked out," you and I will probably disagree about when a fetus is declared a human being. I'm thinking that, with you, it's a unique individual as soon as Dad rolls over and goes to sleep. I don't happen to believe that; I've found a number of cases where I've felt that an abortion should be allowed retroactively, up to about the 25th year. <BR/><BR/>But maybe that's just me. I'm told that I can overreact sometimes.<BR/><BR/>As for "insufficient spine," I don't know what the hell you're talking about. I'm sitting here (in my pajamas, as a matter of fact), alone in a room. This is me. What are you looking for, me to challenge you to a fight? (I mean, I'd tear you apart, but that's a part of me that I'm trying to divorce myself from since I left the military.)<BR/><BR/>(Oh, yeah. I support divorce, too.)<BR/><BR/>Now, the part that really confuses me is your last paragraph. You admit that I labeled my post appropriately: "Does God really hate abortion?" I thought that made things crystal-clear that religion would be involved. But I'm not the first one to bring this up. In fact, I'm not even the hundredth.<BR/><BR/>Do me a favor, sweetie. Go to Google, and search for two words. Make the first one "abortion" and the second one either "sin," "Jesus," "God," "Christian" or "Bible." And come back when you've gone through all of them.<BR/><BR/>So obviously, I don't believe that you stated your point clearly enough. Feel free to explain further, so that I'll have a clearer idea of your stand on the subject; that will make it easier to make fun of you.Nameless Cynichttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17963921060024737712noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-20984086.post-27763933079052357272009-02-15T14:00:00.000-07:002009-02-15T14:00:00.000-07:00All caught up on your knitting there, Nameless Cyn...All caught up on your knitting there, Nameless Cynic?<BR/><BR/>Nothing irks me more than someone with insufficient spine to defend a position on their own.<BR/><BR/>An unborn child getting its brain sucked out during an abortion couldn't care less about your interpretation of scripture.<BR/><BR/>At least you labeled your post appropriately: It was about <B>abortion</B> and it revealed your <B>ignorance</B> by your inclusion of <B>religion</B> in the discussion.One Dovehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03209273884655138432noreply@blogger.com